从西雅图出发–轻轨隧道是贝尔维尤及周边地区的最佳解决方案– NOT!

I see that the city of Bellevue,Ai??Ai??located directly East ofAi??Ai??Seattle across Lake Washington, wants to put the proposed 轻轨 in a tunnel under the city. ThisAi??Ai??extremely expensiveAi??Ai??bit of 过境 planning reflects the power of the auto lobby to push public 过境 underground, thus greatly increasing costs, while at the same time deterring ridership. This blinkered attitude reflects that in North America, the car is king and light 轨 or 轻轨 is a 地铁/subway 通过 another name.

西雅图的交通规划人员忘记的是,轻轨在“保留通行权” (RRoW) doesn’t have the conflicts with auto traffic as many would have them believe. The very nature of a RRoW prevents interaction with auto traffic except at light controlled intersections. It is the RRoW that has made light 地铁, such as VAL and SkyTrain/ART obsolete.

A 轻轨 service will be just as predictable and fast as a subway and contrary to the subway/metro crowd, surface 轻轨 is actually safer than subway operation. The claim that there are many 意外 on a surface 轻轨 ignores the fact that over twice as many people are killed on SkyTrain (with associated 2 to 3 hour train stoppage) than 轻轨 operations about the same size, such as Calgary!

可以忽略的是,汽车的电车/轻轨事故中的Ai ?? Ai ?? Ai ?? Ai ?? Ai ??事故是由驾驶员忽略灯光和/或街道信号引起的。事实是电车/轻轨–汽车路口比汽车安全约十倍–汽车路口。隧道/地铁维护和保护的高昂成本也被忽略,最近的西雅图过境隧道事件突显了青少年帮派接管隧道,战斗等问题,Ai ?? Ai ??要求在维护期间维护昂贵的安全性营业时间!

山谷铁路would think it prudent that 过境 planners in the Seattle region start looking at cheaper ‘rail’ 诸如废弃(East Side Line?)的替代品或很少使用具有TramTrain服务的货运线,而不是浪费数亿美元购买不必要,昂贵且享有盛名的Ai?Ai ??地铁建设,这将确保有限的或无未来的扩展。

轻轨隧道是贝尔维尤及周边地区的最佳解决方案

The city of Bellevue and Sound Transit must keep pressing forward on an agreement to bring light 轨 into Bellevue, write guest writers Ron Rauch and Sue Baugh. A short tunnel bringing passengers near the 过境 center is a costlier but better long-term option for the city and the region.

罗恩·劳赫(Ron Rauch)和苏·鲍(Sue Baugh)

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LIGHT 轨 to the Eastside must serve the heart of downtown Bellevue near the 过境 center, where the most riders will be. On that much, Bellevue and Sound Transit agree.

It’我们要如何到达那里:表面上A?ai ?? i ?? ai ???还是在隧道里?星期四,Sound Transit资本委员会将向董事会提出建议。

贝尔维尤(Bellevue)领导人已在我们繁忙的市区街道下的一条较短的隧道(称为C9T)后面合并。 Sound Transit研究表明,与地面路线相比,这将为更多的乘客提供服务,并避免市区交通。但是隧道超出了项目约3亿美元’的预算,该机构要求Bellevue分摊费用。

该市目前提供高达1.5亿美元的资金,并且可以在不增加税收的情况下进行承诺。声音传输’的选择是遇见Bellevue’忠实于隧道的工作,或为市区选择有问题的地面路线。

隧道值得。

Predictable and fast service will draw more riders to the system. The less light 轨 competes with cars, buses, bikes and pedestrians in limited right of way, the more attractive it becomes.

我们的地区’的土地利用计划使贝尔维尤市中心成为东部增长的中心。 《市区2030》的目标是要求就业人数增加一倍至79,000,居民人数增加三倍至19,000。

贝尔维尤市中心,不到城市的2%’的土地面积,可以通过运输投资的适当融合来吸收增长。即使那样,交通预测看起来也很糟糕。我们知道,到2020年,一半的通勤者必须乘公交车或乘其他交通工具而不是单独驾驶,否则网络将无法正常运行。

Built to serve this growth, light 轨 will be a long-term asset for Bellevue and the region. We need to connect the dots, to put stations in the major employment and population centers. That means a link to centers like Seattle and Bellevue with the best possible routing.

选民支持轻轨系统,该系统将使人们可以更轻松地连接更多地方,而不是一个拥挤的交通,从而造成延误并带来安全风险。一条穿过市区的地面路线将穿越三条主要干道,包括东北第四街,每天大约有20,000辆车。

Light-rail systems in other cities traverse downtown streets and serve thousands of riders daily. Each system also bears a record of 意外, mostly minor and some fatal, with other forms of travel. News archives from those cities tell those stories.

但是,贝尔维尤的崩溃率’如果使用隧道,那么市区的增长将为零。

All told, light 轨 is a safe mode of travel. But we can’t ignore the odds: Mixing trains with traffic will cause 意外 and system delay. Sound Transit and Bellevue have a chance now to avoid both. Just because an at-grade system can work doesn’t mean it’s the best solution.

在那里时’s no easy way to thread light 轨 through downtown, the shorter tunnel option is closest to getting it right for the future of our city and region.

幸运的是,Sound Transit从早期对Central Link的失误中反弹,赢得了选民对大规模扩张的信心。代理商’今天的领导力集中在East Link和该地区的最佳结果上。

那么,Sound Transit和Bellevue提供最安全,最有效的轻轨服务有什么价值呢?在我们计划到2030年及以后的时间里,赌注很高。

Sound Transit和该市必须保持谈判的活力并达成协议。要是我们’re truly buying light 轨 for our future A?ai??i??ai??? with riders, access and our economy in mind A?ai??i??ai??? the tunnel is the way to go.

罗恩·劳赫(Ron Rauch)左,是宾夕法尼亚州克拉克·努伯(Clark Nuber)的股东,现任贝尔维尤市中心协会董事会主席。 Sue Baugh是Commerce Real Estate Solutions / Cushman的董事&Wakefield Inc.和BDA主席’轻轨委员会

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15对“From Seattle –轻轨隧道是贝尔维尤及周边地区的最佳解决方案– NOT!”
  1. 马尔夫 说:

    我认为说Skytrain比LRT杀死更多的人有点冒昧。这些死亡大多数是自杀,’不幸的是,它发生了。仅由人工操作’解决这个问题。是什么阻止某人尝试使用地面轻轨列车呢?

    Zweisystem replies: Excuse me, a death is a death and在轻铁上丧生的绝大多数人也是自杀。 The fact is, over twice as many people are killed on SkyTrain than the Calgary light 轨 system. It is you sir who is disingenuous trying to pretend only those killed on SkyTrain are suicides and those killed on 轻轨 are not!

  2. 匿名 说:

    提醒我最后一次轻轨在交叉路口撞上汽车。

    Zweisystem replies: So? More people die on SkyTrain than light 轨. When was the last time a driverless SkyTrain stopped for someone on the track?

  3. 大卫 说:

    将火车贴在SUV上的白痴可以在天空中花费四倍的成本’t hit them.

    更好地利用我们的税金将使白痴摆脱道路,使我们所有人(驾驶员,中转乘客,骑自行车的人和行人)都变得更加安全。

  4. 夹层 说:

    ^ Voony’s 博客 has a well-researched post about this. In France, the majority of severe injuries in 轻轨 意外 occur with pedestrian/LRT 意外 (versus 轻轨/car), and a fair number of injuries also happen when an LRV emergency brakes and passengers may fall.

    总体而言,在法国南特,其轻轨系统每2天发生1起事故,其中4人受伤。

    http://voony.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/subway-and-lrt-safety-in-france/

    Zweisystem回复:当SkyTrain’紧急刹车被踩下,乘客摔倒并受伤,TransLink唯一的不同’t recognize these 意外. In fact many 意外 on SkyTrain are not recorded unless there is an ambulance call. I would doubt that ambulances are called every two days for the 轻轨 system. Unless recording 意外 are done in the same way in Nantes and Vancouver it is 真实ly an “apples and oranges”比较和Voony应该更了解。

    顺便说一句,Voony是否访问了SkyTrain’的伤害日志?没有?我想知道为什么?

  5. 夹层 说:

    我没有有关空中列车紧急制动事件的数据,但我想知道有多少ROWS导致LRT产生了许多紧急情况,当然还有人为错误。

    This is an interesting paper from 2007 that studied 电车 意外 in the Netherlands:

    “事故分析到主要和次要安全
    荷兰的城市电车”
    http://www.etcproceedings.org/paper/download/3208

    “1999年,荷兰运输安全委员会[Rav voor de Transport Veiligheid(RvTV)]对荷兰大城市的电车交通事故进行了研究。在1990年至1998年期间,有70人死于电车事故。大多数受害者是脆弱的道路使用者(行人,骑自行车的人和机动两轮车车手)。 RvTV估计,与其他机动车事故(十亿公里)相比,电车事故中每十亿公里电车公里死亡的行人和骑自行车的人多三十倍。

    在所有事故类型中,人为因素在事故中均起着主要作用
    场景。电车司机或其他事故伙伴的错误或错误解释可能导致事故。

    在12个案例中的11个案例中,电车司机没有足够预期
    危险。在7种情况下,他很可能避免了事故或减轻了事故的严重性。在大多数情况下(11分之10),电车速度对于这种情况而言过高。由于制动能力低,考虑到最大视线,电车司机永远无法及时停止电车。尽管电车司机已经意识到电车的减速能力,但他们的举止却不尽如人意。

    In 9 out of 11 cases where an impact partner was involved, the impact partner had not reacted properly. His/her actions were possibly derived from an unclear warning light, which in 6 out of 12 意外 was neglected. ”

    I do think surface 轨 is safe, buth the more interactions it has with surface traffic it has, the slower it has to run. Speed and human error seem to be the biggest factors in this 研究.

    Zweisystem回复:拣选100很容易′上100的事件′LRT系统与SkyTrain进行比较,但是您无法为Skytrain生成类似的统计信息。你太无耻了!我看到的是对SkyTrain大厅的绝望;这种绝望掩盖了真正的辩论。我知道至少有5起事故发生在SkyTrain上,TransLink忽略了结果,仅在面临诉讼时才支付赔偿–如果要去媒体,则按照受款人的规定将丧失这种补偿。

    羞愧于你– SHAME ON YOU VOONY!

  6. 夹层 说:

    当我’我曾经说过,我希望人们做出自己的决定。那’这就是为什么我总是尝试提供指向好文章的链接,以供人们查看。

    “And when SkyTrain’紧急刹车被踩下,乘客摔倒并受伤,TransLink唯一的不同’t recognize these 意外.
    ….
    I know of at least 5 incidents where injuries \occurred on SkyTrain where TransLink ignored the results and only paid compensation when faced with lawsuit –如果要去媒体,则按照受款人的规定将丧失这种补偿。”

    您是否有指向任何提及此内容的链接,或者发生这种情况的频率如何?

    Zweisystem replies: I was only involved to provide information about automatic 轨ways. 当我 stated before, the condition with compensation payment was not going public. I am sure if you are willing to go the FOI route you can, but don’t hold your breathe.

    与欧洲公交系统不同,TransLink不会记录轻伤,因此任何比较几乎是无用的。

  7. 其他大卫 说:

    I’我有点不愿意再次参加这场辩论(和Zwei,除非您’我个人受到选择结束生命的人的影响’d仔细选择你的话),我’d质疑以下陈述:”在轻铁上丧生的绝大多数人也是自杀。”我很难相信被轻铁杀死的驾车者,骑自行车的人和行人都是自杀的。是的,死亡就是死亡,但自从发生自杀以来,这55架(ish)轻轨列车死亡中的大多数… and can’放在与“accidents”.

    (和我’我去过几次紧急停车站…这就是为什么我始终注意警告的原因“hold on”…并看到有人在Burrard的平台上被火车撞到… the only time I’曾经有理由使用紧急电话)

    Zweisystem答复:几年前,在与卡尔加里运输官员的一次谈话中,他说C火车上几乎所有的死亡都是自杀。不幸的是,在早期手术中,一名妇女被困在门上并被C型火车拖拉(经调查纠正了这种情况),发生了事故。当汽车经过障碍物并似乎在机智地让火车撞上它时,会闻到自杀的气味。在许多情况下,为防止家庭进一步苦难,未提出自杀的动议。

    这是真正的问题:SkyTrain上有很多人死亡。绝大多数死亡是自杀。 轻轨的死亡人数更少。这些死亡中有许多是自杀。简单。 Isn’有趣的是,轻轨仍然被认为是世界上最安全的公共交通形式之一。奇怪的是,当SkyTrain大厅每天在LRT线路上尖叫死亡和混乱时。

  8. 匿名 说:

    耻辱你!

    停止挑选信息来支持您的事业!他们大多数是’t 真实 anyway, just made up 通过 other diehard 轻轨 freaks like you.

    耻辱你!谎言谎言!

    Zweisystem回复:有趣,我从公交专家那里得到了我的信息–他们都在说谎吗?根据你,他们是!

  9. 匿名 说:

    顺便说一句,谈论绝望… HA!! can anyone get more desperate than you? every post you bash 轻轨 in desperation because you know how successful and 流行 the 轻轨 is, and it’s just going to be more so with increasing 流行ity with the canada line. too bad. and guess what? canada line’成功将在很大程度上影响到UBC快速运输的规划…而且您知道这意味着轻轨!

    哦,我能想象你有多疯狂’重新获得!疯子zwei,远离温哥华,让您的屁股回到无人问津(出于法律原因而编辑)!

  10. 吉姆 说:

    阿农,你’re cool with those “burbs” you don’不在乎为空中火车支付账单吗?

    轻轨是“popular”因为它是可用的选项。它没有’难道Translink的财务状况对您不利吗?我想只要Translink有“burbs” to raise property tax on to pay for your 轻轨 all is well? If there was an abundance of light 轨 available instead of the few 轻轨 choices, as seen in the other post with the 2 maps, that would probably be “popular” too. The Oympic line was also 流行.

  11. 大声笑 说:

    您从公交专家那里得到了信息???请…你太无耻了!!您将所有垃圾都基于lrt-diehards,例如landscape architech patrick condon… a “real” 过境 …..(出于法律原因而编辑)…….

    证明成功的加拿大航线每天如何需要40万名乘客证明自己是正确的。您’d相信任何lrt-diehards会说话的东西。

    Zweisystem replies: it is obvious you have not read a book on the subject, nor have done any research. Due to their cost, subways and/or 地铁s need high ridership levels to justify construction. In the 真实 world, the ridership needed to sustain a subway/metro has been pegged at between 300,000 to 400,000 customers a day. You can build 地铁/subway on routes with less ridership but expect to pay higher subsidies; the fewer 过境 customers, the higher the subsidy.

    我很奇怪你在嘲笑“LRT die hards”但你似乎是“metro/subway”努力死去,拒绝一切不做的事情’t suit your needs.

    你对帕特里克·康登教授的sn亵言论毫无根据,进一步表明你没有辩论的依据。

    我们在该地区所做的就是过度建设“rail” 过境 in it’s最昂贵的模式,因此创建了一个相当小的‘metro’ network that 80% (90% for RAV) of its riders first take a bus to the 地铁. Instead of designing a 过境 system to provide an attractive alternative to the car, we have now spent over $8 billion on a fancy 地铁/subway system that has given bus riders an inconvenient, locally faster trip, 地铁 trip as part of their journey. This is the antithesis of 21st century 过境 philosophy.

  12. 大声笑 说:

    是的吉姆,我’只要温哥华不必补贴您的公路和马路,凉爽的小东西就不会补贴轻轨列车。 burbs可能会迷路并停止偷走温哥华’的运输费用。

    Zweisystem回复:我确定吉姆&大卫会回答,但实际上,‘burbs’远高于温哥华市的人口。我们付了更多的税,却少了很多税。我一直说“如果温哥华想与SkyTrain一起单独使用,请让其纳税人为此支付费用,并让山谷纳税人为自己的交通支付费用。”

  13. 匿名 说:

    在一定程度上,burbs将为PMB / Gateway项目付钱,桥梁本身也要收费。

    温哥华可能是最大的快速交通区,但穿过里士满,本那比,新西区和萨里有许多公里。

    我们现在是否还应对非温哥华的所有车辆进入市区收取费用?

    这种争吵解决不了什么。该地区作为一个整体运作。一世’d宁愿看到它被合并。

    Zweisystem回复:我预计对于过境运营,该区域将与谁拥有SkyTrain的人分开&RAV和谁没有。

  14. 吉姆 说:

    @lol,我认为,Rail for the Valley想要的想法是扩大公交选择,所以我们不’不必不断扩展道路网络。至于窃贼偷温哥华’的过境费,我不是专家,但是您应该提供该声明以支持该声明… Isn’温哥华的过境不仅由该地区(GVRD / MetroVan)资助,还由省和联邦政府资助吗?

  15. 匿名 说:

    zwei你需要证明patrick condon’每天有40万名车手。他实际上不是交通专家。不要’t避开问题并确认密码’的声明。你不应该’请尽快使用支持您原因的随机数据。您显然没有信誉。

    Zweisystem回复:您在问一位教授’信誉?我认为Condon比您更有信誉,尤其是当您躲在匿名斗篷的背后。

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